Curse

bokken · Aug 23, 2007, 03:27 AM // 03:27

I'm curious.

When we are in the same group, why do you feel that you have the right to pick apart my build and ask me to (or worse, DEMAND that I) make changes?

I do not care if you ARE a walking encyclopedia of all knowledge on every skill in the game.

Do NOT tell me what build to run.

IF you feel very strongly that a certain build or specific skill works best in a particular mission I am very happy to discuss it briefly with you and IF I feel you have a valid point I will change my build.

However, I have been in far too many groups, both PUGs and Guild groups where a know-it-all takes it upon them selves to *demand* changes in EVERY SINGLE group member's skill bar and when asked why the particular change should be made they begin to sputter and fluster and get on their soap box to speak down *upon* us that they KNOW what is best.

The most recent occurrence of this scenario happened to me just this evening. In an all alliance group, made up of "adults." We were going into an end game mission in NF. So everyone there had exeperience, it was not the case of one experienced person (know-it-all) trying to teach new players.

The whole group was made up of alliance members, not even a PUG where I usually see this sort of thing:
We were all on Team Speak

Know it all, speaking to me: "do you have skill abc?

Me replying: "No I have 3 similar skills that I feel do the job, but do not carry that particular one for this mission. "

Know it all: "please bring it."

Me replying: "Why do you feel I should bring THAT particular skill? I am comfortable with the skills",....((at this point I am cut off in mid statement by *know-it-all*))

Know it all: " *TSK!!,.... ((In an exasperated voice)).... because we have done this mission many many many many times and we know that skill abc is the only way to go" etc. etc. etc.

Well guess what?! I have done this mission many, many, many, many MANY ( that is one more *many* than you, [ for those keeping track]) times, and I am comfortable with my build.

I can not tell you how many times I have been in groups where these people just feel the need to pick apart everyone's build.

I won't post my full Guild Wars resume, but allow me to say that I have more than a fair bit of experience.

I can recall this know-it-all also telling ( NOT asking) an Ele to replace one skill as it would cause him exhaustion and the one she wanted him to use would not. IT *MAY* have been an excellent suggestion, but I do not want to play with people who behave in this manner I want to use MY builds that have served me well for a long time in many desperate battles.

IF for example you want to ask a Ranger if he has any interrupts, that's fine, you are probably just checking that the Ranger is aware that interrupts are really important in this upcoming mission. However, is it really necessary to pick apart his complete build and demand that the interrupts YOU want are on his skill bar? I say no.

To you know-it-alls: Please be quiet and play your character and allow me to play mine as I see fit.
I am NOT here to please you.
My build works great

This is not meant to be any sort of flame or complaint - I'd really like to hear reasons why these people are so full of themselves that they feel entitled to demand these skill bar changes.

comments??

VitisVinifera · Aug 23, 2007, 03:34 AM // 03:34

in their defense, I'm assuming you are talking DOA. For the longest time, until very recently, it was so overpowered that only certain builds really worked. People get so used to these, because they become comfortable with them and can work them well, that any deviation could result in a lot of wasted time and much frustration.

Now we know DOA was nerfed recently, but the conventional wisdom has remained intact.

This is more an exercise in social studies than it is in critiquing builds in GW. I wouldn't take it too hard. DOA was made so narrow-mindedly and stupidly overpowering that it really forced a mentality which persists.

AngeloM3 · Aug 23, 2007, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Did you die in that end mission in NF?

Redfeather1975 · Aug 23, 2007, 03:37 AM // 03:37

They are the same people who watch you play a console game and scream 'Give me the controller, you don't know how to play!'....and get all red faced.

I think they care more about getting stuff done then enjoying doing stuff. They should of bought Guild Wars the job, instead of Guild Wars the game.

HawkofStorms · Aug 23, 2007, 03:39 AM // 03:39

Reported for rant thread

o m g pizowned · Aug 23, 2007, 03:41 AM // 03:41

^reported for useless post?

B E A S T · Aug 23, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Because it is the internet, and people can say whatever the hell they want.

Snow Bunny · Aug 23, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by bokken

I'm curious.

When we are in the same group, why do you feel that you have the right to pick apart my build and ask me to (or worse, DEMAND that I) make changes?

I do not care if you ARE a walking encyclopedia of all knowledge on every skill in the game.

Do NOT tell me what build to run.

IF you feel very strongly that a certain build or specific skill works best in a particular mission I am very happy to discuss it briefly with you and IF I feel you have a valid point I will change my build.

However, I have been in far too many groups, both PUGs and Guild groups where a know-it-all takes it upon them selves to *demand* changes in EVERY SINGLE group member's skill bar and when asked why the particular change should be made they begin to sputter and fluster and get on their soap box to speak down *upon* us that they KNOW what is best.

The most recent occurrence of this scenario happened to me just this evening. In an all alliance group, made up of "adults." We were going into an end game mission in NF. So everyone there had exeperience, it was not the case of one experienced person (know-it-all) trying to teach new players.

The whole group was made up of alliance members, not even a PUG where I usually see this sort of thing:
We were all on Team Speak

Know it all, speaking to me: "do you have skill abc?

Me replying: "No I have 3 similar skills that I feel do the job, but do not carry that particular one for this mission. "

Know it all: "please bring it."

Me replying: "Why do you feel I should bring THAT particular skill? I am comfortable with the skills",....((at this point I am cut off in mid statement by *know-it-all*))

Know it all: " *TSK!!,.... ((In an exasperated voice)).... because we have done this mission many many many many times and we know that skill abc is the only way to go" etc. etc. etc.

Well guess what?! I have done this mission many, many, many, many MANY ( that is one more *many* than you, [ for those keeping track]) times, and I am comfortable with my build.

I can not tell you how many times I have been in groups where these people just feel the need to pick apart everyone's build.

I won't post my full Guild Wars resume, but allow me to say that I have more than a fair bit of experience.

I can recall this know-it-all also telling ( NOT asking) an Ele to replace one skill as it would cause him exhaustion and the one she wanted him to use would not. IT *MAY* have been an excellent suggestion, but I do not want to play with people who behave in this manner I want to use MY builds that have served me well for a long time in many desperate battles.

IF for example you want to ask a Ranger if he has any interrupts, that's fine, you are probably just checking that the Ranger is aware that interrupts are really important in this upcoming mission. However, is it really necessary to pick apart his complete build and demand that the interrupts YOU want are on his skill bar? I say no.

To you know-it-alls: Please be quiet and play your character and allow me to play mine as I see fit.
I am NOT here to please you.
My build works great

This is not meant to be any sort of flame or complaint - I'd really like to hear reasons why these people are so full of themselves that they feel entitled to demand these skill bar changes.

comments??

Well.

When you're telling me that Healing Breeze helps you tank, I'm going to disagree. Especially if you're that moron whammo in Urgoz lately, explaining to us how we're idiots for not taking a tank.

By the way, what build and skill was your story in reference to? That would be helpful to know.

VanDamselx · Aug 23, 2007, 03:55 AM // 03:55

While I hate when people do this too, I admit that sometimes I sigh to myself when I see a shitty, incompetent build and suggest changes. Now of course, for a mission like Gate of Madness, I'm going to demand the tank to bring Wild Blow and if he doesn't, I will kick him. Sometimes there are just some skills on people's bars that are utterly useless, sometimes there are skills that are absolutely needed to make a mission go smoothly. Know-it-alls are very annoying, but sometimes changing a skill here or there won't kill you (personally, I mean =])

Dr Strangelove · Aug 23, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Before I enter a hard mode mission with a PuG, I have everyone ping builds, including myself. Everyone usually ends up changing a few skills around, both to work better together and to optimize their own builds.

This has a few really awesome effects. First, the only way to really get better is to take feedback from other people. You'll never get better if you don't learn to defend your skill choices. There's only so far you can go on your own, other people will make you a better player.

Second, all the impatient people weed themselves out. They'll get annoyed at the delay (gogogogogogogog wtf) and leave. That's awesome, because they wouldn't have been fun to play with, they probably would have left mid-mission, and they might get the group killed with impatience

Finally, you weed out retards. A player who pings a shitty build and takes criticism on it and tries to make it better is welcome in my teams any day. A jerk who pings a decent build needing minor changes, like a rez will refuse to make changes, saying "This is my BUILD THOUGH DON'T MAKE ME CHANGE RAWR FREEDOM!" really isn't welcome. People like that aren't fun to play with, they're selfish, uncooperative pricks with an ego problem.

I'll grant you that demanding to micromanage every player's build isn't fun, nor is demanding skill changes (Unless it's really, really, really bad. I'm not dragging your retarded deathly swarm spamming warrior through a mission). This post has really dragged on, so I guess lern2communicate and lern2teamplay.

draxynnic · Aug 23, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Aye, communication is important. There are few things worse than, after having made multiple attempts to get another Ritualist in the party to discuss their build in order to avoid overlapping spirits, going in and finding that, yes, you are indeed both carrying Pain or some other spirit that is unhelpful in multiples...

Arkantos · Aug 23, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Some people don't care what you want to run. They want to win. Many people will do this, you can either change your build or leave the group.

brian78wa · Aug 23, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Some people don't care what you want to run. They want to win. Many people will do this, you can either change your build or leave the group.

This is why I dont pug. Idiots thinking that they have the only build that works. If youre at the end mission obviously your build worked well enough to get you there. If you dont like that persons build YOU leave the group not them.

[DE] · Aug 23, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by bokken

To you know-it-alls: Please be quiet and play your character and allow me to play mine as I see fit.
I am NOT here to please you.
My build works great

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that Guild Wars is a team game.

cellardweller · Aug 23, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

Be more selective about who is in your alliance... seems like the simplest solution to me.

Captain Gerome · Aug 23, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

I am with Bokken on this one. The people who are flaming Bokken are the same 'Know it Alls' he is talking about. You guys should be ashamed of yourselfs. Its a game not a bloody job interview you morzies.

MMSDome · Aug 23, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

people just want to actually get through the mission on the first try.

Trub · Aug 23, 2007, 04:32 AM // 04:32

Quote:

The most recent occurrence of this scenario happened to me just this evening. In an all alliance group, made up of "adults." We were going into an end game mission in NF. So everyone there had exeperience, it was not the case of one experienced person (know-it-all) trying to teach new players.

The whole group was made up of alliance members, not even a PUG where I usually see this sort of thing:
We were all on Team Speak

Um...well.....It was your alliance, wouldn't you want to oblidge, even just that once...and THEN maybe take the 'know-it-all' to the side and tell him of your discomfort?
(or let the alliance/guild leader know you werent to happy about it?)
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Dr Strangelove · Aug 23, 2007, 04:33 AM // 04:33

It's a TEAM game, not "I have discovered the holy and mighty unchangeable build". Get over yourself and cooperate with others or play with Stefan.

phoenixtech · Aug 23, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

I just hope you don't ever take that attitude to PVP. In PVP, when i want a specific build, and you are a pug, you better bring the skills I want or = boot.

Also, did everyone ping their bars and you saw EVERYONE's skills? Maybe the leader of the group wanted a specific skill that was a better fit with the team's skillset then whatever you had.